Frankly it`s my opinion that a solid older iPhone

January 24, 2021, 10:55 am
Frankly it`s my opinion that a solid older iPhone
Frankly it`s my opinion that a solid older iPhone is a better option than any Android junker these people think the poor deserve. I`ve had to administer them. iPhones have much less exposure to inadvertent issues and interruption. People on the edge can`t afford an unreliable car

Unless you never update your apps, and/or never install new apps, something of the age of an iPhone 4S is useless, because apps won`t update or install on the older OS, and the device has a limit on how far it can update the OS.

it blows my mind that the wealthiest people and the poorest people in America own the same phone. Thats how thoroughly Apple nailed their product; No amount of money can buy a better user experience than the latest iPhone

Wow, I`m okay with mine. But I think people should have a phone they like.

this. Birdies little scenario isnt available via nationwide carrier, youd need your own little telco op to even attempt it

my current phone is a second hand iphone and ls great - tried a cheap android and the experience was terrible - the design was full of stupid problems

People on the edge cant afford an unreliable car is the key here

The 2 LG Stylo phones I have owned have never failed...not even a cracked screen, just normal battery wear.

A Windows Phone trumped all of this.

If you Google that you get a 5 year old thread on Apple`s community forum with the last post saying "I also experience that problem/did you ever find out what the problem was?". On Android you Google "problem description <phone model>" or just use adb logcat.

Ive only just replaced an iPhone 6 because apps needed for auth for work are no longer supported for the old iOS. Thing worked just fine, otherwise.

Completely agree. I`m an Android user and I have to figure out everything for myself. Will probably go back to iPhone, even if only for the regular security updates and the aesthetics.

It`s only really better if you`re dealing with ones that have a stock android loaded. Unfortunately the cheaper the device, the less likely this is.

Management provided TENS OF THOUSANDS of the cheapest Android phones, a Samsung so could be easily MDM enrolled, but otherwise crap. No one would use Corp phones. Last refreshments have been iPhones and hi-end Samsung. No issues and high adoption allowed fixed phones removal.

Problem is Apple as a brand did not like their phones to be in the hands of people most in need of it. All that crap with brand experience etc. For that alone, Im thankful to Samsung for forcing their hand to start with a mid range SE product.

Im a technophile and Ive had the same iPhone since 2015, only just thinking about replacing it. I had to get rid of my android phones yearly because they stopped being responsive. Its a false economy.

The thing with iphone vs Android is you know what you`re getting with iphone. Android is very fragmented, ranging from top notch plain Android phones to cheap phones basically preloaded with malware and advertising.

iOS has always had shockingly good enterprise management too. I remember discovering some apple tool back in 2007 or so that let you configure vpn, email, proxy, etc. made all the execs iPhones so much more usable and we didnt have to spend hours setting each one up.

My experience as someone who was an early adopter of Android at its beginning but slow to replace phones over the years is that there are Google Android phones- ie, the formerly Motorola, now Google hardware with nothing else; and there are "claim to be Android" pieces of trash.

Maybe its just how late it is but artisanal Android fork kinda has me broken right now

I like my Samsung S20+, my wife`s S10 is working. I`m thinking really hard about cutting over to an iPhone because I`m tired of troubleshooting when things go wrong for HOURS. I`ve got better things to do.

Pretty sure it was meant as a generalization. Iphone = cell phone of any type. Those types of people think the poor shouldnt have any phone.

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If you Google "problem description iPhone" you get a pretty authoritative walkthrough, and Apple documentation is comprehensive even to older iOS. Finding carrier-specific phone manuals for an artisanal Android fork and getting basic help, maybe it`s better now, it`s untenable.

Don`t get me wrong, I love my android phone and likely won`t switch to an iPhone any time soon. But if you want something that will just WORK, a refurb 6S plus is <$150 and is still supported by apple. Buy a NEW phone for $150 and it`ll be awful.

I do 99% of my job on a 2011 MBP...I`ve hacked it a bit so it runs better, but I do not own a 10 year old PC laptop that can get anywhere near this level of performance and stability.

My wife has really liked the various incarnations of the iPhone SE.

If there was justice in the universe, those peoples hell would be trying to explain the librem 5 phones to the oldest employee in the office for the rest of eternity

I love my cheap Android phones. But I also love using Gentoo on netbooks and doing tiny soldering, so...

Another thing: Again, I supported users in the real world for years. Walking people not versed in technology or GUI concepts through the phantasm of Android custom skins is a god damn nightmare. Loading people with janky crap technology requires huge privilege and resources.

Still happily using my 7+ and my old 4 was great for my kids gap year travel: iMessage and FaceTime dont need cell service.

there are several android phones that are very good. there`s also a LOT of android phones that aren`t. i think a lot of people who aren`t well versed on the subject look at these cheaper phones as if they`re made with the same limited set of compromises that iphones are.

I am using an iPhone 6 that got fresh batteries twice (some 30 usd each) I may replace it because 2fa for one of my clients vpn complained

Not to mention that the major players are pretty much offering free iPhones with commitments. Free because you still pay for the damn thing, just indirectly.

Email... ipad with ios14, standard email app pop up every 2 min with warning, because ISP ssl certificate on imap ( dont match with email server account. ios it so easy that... cant fix.

The best phone Ive ever had was my original Motorola Droid. Before the first big android update, I could have two calendar views side by side on the home screen. That way, I could see my family and work calendars without having to integrate them. I miss that phone.

The kernel of this is the same as the "welfare queen" myth: they want to deny poor people the agency to dispose their meager funds as they see fit. It`s infantilization.

Completely agree with this. I have 4 kids. All 4 had android devices. Dad thought it was cheaper & they seemed to like them. Every single one of them was a mess, had bad ports, weird reboots, battery issues, all well before trade-up time. And they actually took care of them.

It doesn`t help that the people complaining about poor people with iPhones will mistake cheap-ass Droids (and even feature phones) for an iPhone anyway. They don`t think poor people should have phones.

My 1st gen SE [bought used for <$100] is treating me well. `Upgraded` b/c mechanical buttons on my 4s finally failed. IOS updates to latest release (unlike 4s). Vital b/c ATM card POSale only approve w/app open. It isn`t lavish to buy a necessity. And it fits in my pocket.

There are other issues though when you consider the really poor - eg in the developing world. Many of them come from the size of the ecosystem and economies of scale. Eg charger cables and repairs are much cheaper for android then in the Apple world.

I`m still waiting for my Obama phone the former hacker known as Q was threatening everybody with.

Note this thread is rhetorically in rebuke of "criticizing poor people with iPhones" highlighted in the original tweet. It`s not about mainstream Android devices being bad. I`ve been impressed with some of the ongoing support for some of the Galaxy devices.

I have at least one iPhone.. a 7 plus somewhere. Is there a place that collects them and distributes to the needy?

My mom is still using my iPhone 4S I gave her years ago. She feels she has no need to switch from it.

"buy it right or buy it twice"

And I`m just emphasizing that it`s only the cheapest android phones that are going to be that much trouble.

The peak of cell phone evolution My experience (started with TRS80/KayPro/Amiga before IBM Thinkpad/Windows) has always said quality is worth paying for. I`ve always bought the top quality I could afford (and I have always budgeted) and used my phones for 3-4 years min. Original Droids. Razor. Samsung3/5/8.

I worked at a place where the IT director allowed any manager to make decisions on IT solutions without consulting IT. We had several departments purchase the cheapest Androids that couldnt load our MDM software or do the thing they wanted. Security nightmare.

Give them older iPhones or older flagship Android devices.

Most of the old iPhones (below iPhone X) are permanently rooted. All of them are jailbreakable, meaning you`re susceptible to attack. I would advise against super old ones, unless you jailbreak it and harden it. Jailbreak list: you bought the cheapest Androids and compared to iPhones which are top phones. Not a fair comparsion. Next time buy 15 Galaxy S21 and everything will be ok.

Agree, but we need to pressure apps to continue to support the older iOS versions. As the OS stops getting updates, you see more & more apps trying & (constantly) failing to update, and eventually ceasing to function (eg wechat is one of `em, and impacts a large demographic).

"solid" is a word that should never be applied to an iPhone. They break if you look at them funny.

Without one, here in green cove springs, florida, I`d not have gotten my first moderna injection. Those with iphone/computer access are getting the vaccine. Period

I loved my 4S. The next phone Ill get will be an SE.

i got an iphone last month after using android for like four years and i am absolutely amazed that people still tolerate using androids when iphones exist

Enterprise that doesn`t run iphones is so dumb. 5 year service life for everything else but 2 year is fine for phones?

^^^^ this. People not worthy of basic utility. Not to mention for most poor folks, the iPhone is also their computer. They dont have laptops

Yes you should literally give poor people iPhones that`s an awesome idea.

I feel terrible that I moved my mom to an iPhone without the button at the bottom. Shes almost blind and has hand eye coordination problems. The button was her emergency home.

A program to provide low income people with a free Android phone offered a phone that had just enough storage to install 1 small app after deleting literally every non-essential Android component. But then you lacked space to update that installed app or OS. LuckyWeGiveYouOne

Getting equipped with a tiny older iPhone while using a giant flagship Android as a daily driver is a hilarious swing in usability for hardcore mobile users. And yet your points are still super valid.

Saving dimes while wasting dollars.

iPhone 5s got an update recently. It`s still supported to some degree, with iOS 12.5.1. The phone was originally released in 2013.

Nice and small and works fine is a legit reason to not leave your husband, but not enough to keep a subpar phone.

You were kinda lucky in that they still sent out OTA updates for the kernel on hardware which could support it. But, the phone wasn`t bought `unlocked`, thus, jailbraking in order flash a patched ROM could still be a DMCA violation. Their solution was to buy a new phone.

Meanwhile we had C-level executives who didn`t want to give up their iPhone 4S because it was nice and small and it worked fine and they weren`t even wrong. Just layers of disconnect in who`s worthy of basic utility.

My workphone is one of those absurdly rugged rubberized Kyocera flip-phones. You either make a call or I don`t get the message.

SMS messages in particular seem to cause common problems on Android. It just doesn`t.. send or receive, half the time.

Cheap is cheap no matter the logo on the outside.

I once wrote a dispatch system to email techs all open tickets for sites on their route before they left for the day. VP shut the project down because he didnt want to overload the techs. No idea how some people get to their positions.

"They`re just carpenters, they should be happy we gave them crapass hammers. Anyway, how`s my roof coming?"

Any manager or executive who uses the "they should feel lucky" sentiment when referring to customers or employees should immediately be terminated. I know you`re paraphrasing, but that`s not exactly uncommon.

"They`re just service techs they should feel lucky we comp their phones." Great idea, now they`re not getting their job dispatch emails and missing appointments and taking my Helpdesk time troubleshooting stuff. Never one firmware update. The screens aren`t even worth fixing.

This is disingenuous product placement, taco bell

But Tay, what about the walled garden? LOL.

As an Android user I agree.. iPhones tend to be more reliable and supported up to 5 years

You can`t even change your default messenger app. I don`t care if messages show up in blue. I choose whatever tf app I want.

Totally agree with this. I use Android because I like to tinker with it, and also for some specific use cases. But I always recommend iPhones when anyone ask me what phone they should get next. You`d want something that have the lowest, downtime? Yeah I guess I can say that.

Your iPhone ain`t got no secure folder for those apps that wants too much data

Absolutely. I picked up an iPhone SE about 2 years ago, brand new, for $50! Its amazing how long iPhones last and the prices. Refurbished iPhone 8s go for $100 now I believe.

I went back to android because apple thinks it`s a luxury brand. They can suck $$$ from others.

I had branch managers have a genius idea, and tell the AT&T store they want 15 of the cheapest Androids for their staff refresh. We paid for that shit for YEARS. Email stopped delivering. They`d freeze. Not something you want if you need that next shift, or will get fired for it

But IPhones have more corn content in them! (I`m just making this up, but it sounds good)

Hell, Im still using an iPhone 8. Havent upgraded because its working perfectly well and still gets updates.

A 30 buck Apple store battery replacement makes most older iPhones good as new

iPhone owners are also comforting themselves that iPhones dont deprecate as quickly as they actually do.

 
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